Opening Scaling Tension
Every operator hits the same wall eventually. Revenue grows, headcount grows, decisions multiply, and somewhere in that expansion the founder becomes the rate-limiting factor. Not because they’re incapable. Because they’re still the node every decision routes through. Add enough volume to that system and even a sharp operator starts running in reactive mode: approving instead of deciding, absorbing instead of directing, present in every meeting but clear in almost none of them.
That’s the tension Shalin Desai, who has spent over 25 years advising leaders on resilience and execution capacity, gets at directly in his conversation on Scale Smart Grow Fast. His framing isn’t about motivation. It’s about where leaders quietly cap their own scaling discipline without realizing it.
The Hidden Constraint
Desai’s core observation cuts against the popular idea that delegation is a solved problem for most operators: leaders are good at delegating work. They are far worse at delegating the responsibility, the actual decision-making power, that comes attached to it.
This is the hidden constraint. A task can move off your calendar and still functionally sit on your desk if every decision tied to it still requires your sign-off. The org chart says the work has been handed off. The decision flow says otherwise. That gap is where operational drag lives, and it’s largely invisible until you map how many decisions in your business still route back to one person by default rather than by necessity.
This isn’t a people problem. It’s a systems design problem. If decision rights aren’t explicitly transferred alongside the task, you haven’t built leverage. You’ve built a longer approval chain with your name at the end of it.
The Operating Shift
The shift Desai describes has two parts, and both matter for anyone thinking about scaling discipline in a founder-led business.
First: separate the task from the authority, and delegate both. He’s explicit that partial delegation, work without power, creates a false sense of capacity. You feel lighter because a task is off your plate, but your cognitive load hasn’t actually dropped, because the underlying decisions are still yours to make. Real capacity expansion happens only when someone else can decide, not just execute.
Second: build the internal clarity that makes delegation possible in the first place. Desai draws a distinction that matters more than it sounds like it should: the difference between reaction and response. Reaction is acting first and evaluating afterward. Response is evaluating first and then acting. That distinction sounds almost trivial until you consider it at scale, across every decision a growing company generates in a day. A leader stuck in reaction mode can’t delegate decision-making cleanly, because their own decision quality is inconsistent. Clarity isn’t a soft skill here. It’s the prerequisite for structured delegation to actually hold.
Execution in Practice
A few specific mechanisms from the conversation translate directly into operating practice for founders, operators, and capital allocators managing multiple assets or business lines:
1. Trust as a performance input, not a personality trait. Desai notes that the more genuine trust leaders extend to their teams, the better those teams perform, not as a morale outcome, but as a direct driver of execution quality. This has a practical implication for risk management: withholding decision authority to reduce perceived risk often increases operational risk, because it keeps the bottleneck concentrated in one person’s bandwidth instead of distributing judgment across a trained team.
2. Purpose as a performance multiplier, not a soft add-on. Desai pushes back on the idea that mission and margin compete. In his framing, leaders with a defined purpose beyond the P&L consistently outperform under pressure, the same way the calmest quarterbacks perform best in the highest-leverage moments. For capital allocators evaluating founder-led teams, this is a durable signal: leadership grounded in something more specific than “grow the number” tends to correlate with steadier decision-making during stress events, which is precisely when capital is most exposed.
3. Preventive discipline over reactive correction. The analogy Desai uses is blunt and useful: you don’t skip brushing your teeth only when there’s a problem. Mental and operational hygiene work the same way. Applied to execution systems, this means the checklists, standing reviews, and decision protocols that feel unnecessary in calm periods are exactly what prevent the expensive breakdowns during volatile ones. Preventive structure is cheaper than crisis correction, every time.
4. Eliminating re-decisions through consistent practice. Once clarity and delegated authority are in place, Desai notes the effect compounds. Leaders stop re-litigating decisions they’ve already made, and teams stop waiting for confirmation on calls they’re already equipped to make. That’s the flywheel: trust extended, competence demonstrated, less oversight required, more capacity freed for the next tier of problems.
Leverage Outcome
None of this is about leaders working longer or pushing harder. It’s the opposite. Leverage, in Desai’s framing, is what happens when decision-making capacity is distributed correctly and the person at the top stops functioning as the default approver for everything beneath them. Leadership bandwidth is the actual constraint on scaling, not headcount, not capital, not market opportunity. Protecting that bandwidth by transferring real authority, not just tasks, is the operating shift that lets a business absorb more complexity without the founder absorbing more stress.
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The Immediate Move
Leadership bandwidth, not effort, is the real ceiling on how far a founder-led business can scale. More hours don’t fix a bottleneck built into your decision structure. Structure does. That means an honest audit of where decision authority actually sits in your business, not where the org chart says it sits, and a deliberate transfer of that authority to the people already doing the work. Ownership transfer, disciplined decision protocols, and reduced cognitive load aren’t soft initiatives. They’re the mechanics of scaling without burning out the person the entire operation still depends on.
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Full Podcast Transcript
Do you ever feel like you’re doing everything right, but you’re still running on empty? On this episode of Scale Smart Grow Fast, we’re digging into a challenge a lot of leaders face: stress, mental overload, and the loss of clarity that can slow down even the best operators. And that’s why at Worker Genics we help business owners stay focused on what matters well most with full-time ultimate executive assistants who bring consistent execution behind the scenes.
So today I’m joined by Shalin Desai, who spent more than twenty-five years helping leaders build resilience, sharpen focus, and perform at a higher level through breathwork, meditation, and practical leadership school skills. Let’s get into it. So, Shalin, thank you so much for joining me today.
Thank you, Adrian. Thanks for having me.
Now I know you’ve spent a l you’ve a depth of experience here helping people build this focus, resilience, and clarity. When you look at leaders today, what’s the biggest thing that’s draining their energy that they might not even realize?
The biggest thing I’ve seen is trying to do too many things at the same time. And as a leader, I mean you have a lot of responsibilities. The Lord is riding on you. And you’re responsible for a lot of decisions you make. Not just it it affects you, it affects a lot of people, the decisions you make. So there’s this inherent sense of feeling responsible and at the same time trying to do too many things. And I think that’s where the stress kicks in, you know. I
Simply put, the simple definition of stress is too many things to do and too little time or energy. And that’s exactly what causes stress.
And as you say that, I’m thinking of like two aspects of the this too many things to do. There’s like the constant interruptions, right, in multitasking and how now science shows how multitasking fails. And then the other thing you really like hit on is the sense of responsibility and that that load, it’s not just a logistics thing, it’s an emotional load of like your decisions have impact.
Exactly, absolutely. And that you you kind of that that’s exactly what it is, you know, the decisions you make, it just not affecting you, it’s affecting so many other people. And so that brings that kind of causes some stress or load, whatever you want to call it. And there’s a there’s a healthier way of dealing with it.
I’m sure there is. So we’ll get into that. I know. So the thing is, if I was a a a business owner, an entrepreneur listening, I’d be like, the thing is, I’m always busy. I’m always having to like, I’m trying, I’m trying to get to the bottom of this to-do list and I never ever reach it. Why are people getting stuck in that cycle?
Yeah.
Yeah, that’s where the meditation and the breath work is so important. Mahatma Gandhi used to say, you know, he would say that today I’m so busy, I don’t have time to meditate for twenty minutes, I have so much work to do, I have to meditate for one hour. So the more the more busy you are, the more crazy your schedule is, the more is the need to have this mindfulness, this breath work, the meditation is more is the need for that. And that’s what I’ve seen.
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I’ve been traveling around, I’ve been teaching, I’ve taught the art of living, that’s organization part of the art of living workshops. in around 64 cities around the country, working with leaders across the across the country. And that’s what I found that having these tools in your own in your toolbox is becomes so handy because at some point of time, you know, it’s not just the stress or the responsibility overload. What I’ve seen is that.
People keep being under that stress for so long and after some time they you even start having health concerns. You know, it because your body can only take so much for so long. And at some point of time you start seeing the cracks, you end up having, you know, anxiety, blood pressure and whatnot. So it’s not just you to become a better leader. I think for you to even become a better and healthier human being, this tools are very much needed.
I love everything you’re sharing here. you know, for our listeners who don’t know, I started I US business owner and over two years ago started traveling the world with our family. And I have told people it’s almost like it like an unbecoming or an unbecoming in so many ways to disconnect from all of these systems that do cause the stress and everything like that, like exactly what you’re saying, and realizing the power of things like meditation or these these other practices. So
I love this because I feel like I can personally see the difference in my life from doing things like this. Now for our our listeners who are like, I I don’t even know where to start, what where do you recommend they start? What’s one simple shift that can really help people get started and make a difference?
So a few things. of course you can I recommend taking a three-day course, start about nine hours, nine hours completely. It’s you can go to the website Art of Living, beautiful name, artofliving.org. And we have courses. the Art of Living Foundation is one of the world’s largest volunteer-based organizations. We have programs in about 184 countries. So wherever you are, you can tap into that. And to begin with, you can also just go to YouTube and
put up art put art of living meditations a bunch of kind of meditations there you can start even using that. And you know, it’s it’s nowadays meditation is no longer a luxury. It’s a necessity. You know, it’s something that you have to have in your routine. It’s I you know, you brush your teeth every day, that is dental hygiene, you take shower, that is bodily hygiene, and this is the mental hygiene. And it’s so important people realize that. Yeah.
I love framing it like that.
Yeah, very helpful. now, can you share a story of a business owner or leaner leader that made a meaningful change in their performance after they started focusing on this well being and mental clarity?
Absolutely. So, you know, I shared in incident actually, I was teaching a course in in New York at one of the largest banks in our country and huge finan like I won’t take the name but big financial institution and this we were doing this course under executive leadership and one of the participants who was on the course on the at the end of the three-day workshop, she shared, she came to me and she was like, you know, I want to share something very personal with you. I’m like, Yes, please.
And then she’s like, you know, last year has been so tough on me, you know. I went through such a bitter di such a bad divorce and it just went for so long and it took such a big toll on me. And after I got done with it, I’m like, you know, I need a break. So she’s like, I booked a trip to Hawaii and a solo trip to Hawaii just to get a break and to clear my mind out and everything. And she was sharing that one day she was sitting in this beautiful beach on Kawaii. She’s like it’s so such a pristine beach and
Like I was watching the sunset and it was so beautiful. And then she was like, But you know, Shalin, I was only able to enjoy that for five minutes. After that, my mind was again filled with the same thoughts of anger, anguish, worry, anxiety, and all that. And then and then she’s like, That’s when I realized that unless and until I take care of my mind, no matter how many comforts, what what beautiful scenery I have in front of me, I cannot enjoy that.
And she’s sharing that after taking this art of living program, and she’s yesterday I was driving home in a cab, and you know, this was about 10-15 years ago. And she’s like, and I was driving, and you know, New York people honk, it’s chaotic and everything. And she’s like, nothing bothered me. I was just calm and peaceful. And she’s like, That’s when I realized that unless and until I take care of my mind, everything else is kind of you know, use not not useful.
Okay.
And she’s like, you know, after taking this, I’m able to focus even much, I’m able to make my mind is becoming so more clear, so much clearer. Even the decisions I’m making are much better now. So it’s that’s what it is. It just affects all the aspects of life because even for leaders, it’s very important to know it’s not just that what you do professionally, professionally, or in your business, you know, it affects all the aspects of your life, you know, at the end of the day.
Right.
No matter how successful of a business person you are, you want to have a happy family life, you want to have a happy personal life. And both are intertwined. And these tools help both the aspects of your life.
Mm-hmm.
Yes, that’s a a great it reminds me of a a couple things. One is I have seen that like Americans who are used to the hustle culture, who are used to like grind, grind, grind, go on vacation and can’t relax. It’s the same thing of we’re got a packet full of activities, we’ve got to be like sightseeing all the time, we’ve got to go do these guided tours. And once you unplug from that, you’re like, dude, that’s exhausting. Let’s just relax.
Yeah.
Yeah. Exactly. That’s what it is. You know, I often joke with people that you know after you come back from vacation, you need a day or two to recover from your vacation. It’s like you come back tired. And what if there was a vacation where you went and you came back so rejuvenated, so fresh? And that’s what this breath work and everything does for you.
Mm-hmm.
Right, yeah. I I’ve seen the difference, like I said, my own life with myself, my husband, our kids. doing some work like this, some meditation work. and yeah, even even with kids, you mentioned the family life. I’ve seen that that difference for us too there. Now
Okay, sorry, wanted to read the next question. So we’ll cut out that little pause there, John, for the editor. So one challenge a lot of leaders face is, you know, part of this process, I think, is recognizing what you really have to do and what you don’t have to do. But the challenge leaders have is letting go of control. So how do you help someone trust their team more without all the stress of like, I have to micromanage, I have to make those decisions?
No, I that’s that’s a very good question. I see that so often. And what I’ve seen is that leaders are able to delegate work, but somehow they’re not able to delegate the responsibility, the power. It’s very interesting, very interesting. You know, this whole thing about you have to delegate so you can do more, you have to delegate. I I the what I’ve observed is that people are able to delegate, but they’re only able to delegate the work. But the decision making power you’re not able to delegate.
And it’s this fine balance of not just delegating work, but also delegating the power, the responsibility that comes along with it. And that just gives you so much more freedom. And I’ve also found with people like the more trust you put in people, they actually perform better. And I’ve seen that with the you know, my inspiration is Gurudev.
Mm-hmm.
he’s a founder of Art of Living, Art of Living Foundation, Gurudev Shri Shri Ravish Shankar. He’s a world-renowned humanitarian and a peacemaker, and he’s been you know traveling around the globe and and his mission is to create a stress in a violent stress society. And what’s really inspired me is that his like his ability to trust people, like empower people and trust people. And I’ve seen that when you
Put that I’m not saying blindly trust trust everyone, but when you put that faith and trust in people, they actually go out and perform really well.
Right. Yeah.
And that yeah, that ability to let go, as you mentioned, has to come. And the more you’re able to let go, the more empowerment happens actually.
That’s a that’s a really good point. And it’s it’s almost like it’s tough because you have to do it with faith to see the results, right? well once you do, then you can then it then that starts the flywheel. Once you trust somebody and you have that successful experience, it becomes easier and easier to do it again and again.
Exactly, exactly.
Now let’s say that we have a business owner and they have gone through the three day program from Art of Living and they’re using these tools in their everyday life. What are the early signs that this person is starting to move from reactive mode into a more intentional and effective way of operating? How are they gonna be able to see the difference?
The very first thing you’ll see is a lot more mental clarity. You know, some of the best, best business leaders you see around the globe, they have such clarity. Even when they speak, it’s so clear they know exactly where they are, they know where they want to get, and they know how they’re going get there. So that clarity starts coming in, and that is a big, big, big deal. And then the other most important thing is your mind becomes more calm and more peaceful.
You know, what’s the difference between reaction and response? In in risk in in response, you know, when you respond to something, you think and you act. In reaction, you act and then you think afterwards. What did I do? So it’s like the difference and that that distinction comes when the mind is more calm, more peaceful, more at you know, you’re more at home wherever you are. Naturally that better decision making happens and those tools start kicking in after you start practicing right away from day when it starts working.
Ha ha ha.
That’s awesome. It’s awesome that it is so immediate. and that that’s really the foundation for everything, right? Like how you think about and respond to situations is the foundation for everything. So that one change can really have so much impact.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Now I know that you talk a lot about purpose alongside performance. And we’ve talked about the art of living and the purpose and nonprofit. How do these two things connect for leaders who are in our conventional Western business world where we’re focused on growth and results? How can that leader think about purpose alongside performance?
At the end of the day, any leader, you’re doing what you’re doing, you know, you’re making the sacrifices. I mean, all leaders they they they make sacrifices. If you’re not making sacrifices, you would not be a leader actually. So they make sacrifices, and you’re making those sacrifices because there’s a purpose that you really believe in. There’s something you’re not, you know, and that’s one thing I’ve seen with the leaders also. It’s yes, you want to make make more money, you want to make the business grow, but there’s something more to it in there. Like there’s something you
there’s a there’s a fire in the belly that you know I want to do something, I want to achieve something. And that is that is what drives the leaders. And again coming back to the you know having a purpose and focusing on something much bigger. It’s just if it’s not like okay, I want to make this much money and that’s there that you know you have to business has to make money. But when there’s something more to it also that you know I want to do so for the greater good. I want to do it because maybe I want to help the society, maybe I want to help my family. When there’s a bigger
purpose bigger something bigger a bigger goal that is in mind, naturally you’re more driven. And that comes again, that comes with I you know, I I I love watching football. I don’t know if you Adrian, if you watch football, but not the soccer but the football. And you know some of the best quarterbacks you see in the NFL are also the ones who can who can perform so calmly under so much pressure. And that’s that’s that’s such a beautiful
Yes, I
Right.
ability to have as a leader. And coming back to this breathing exercises, that’s what helped me when I started doing teaching all these things and started traveling and doing things. The breath work, it’s part of my crazy schedule, hours and hours of traveling across different time zones and all, it gave me such calmness and so much energy that you’re able to perform so much better. And it’s at the end of the day, it’s not just about working hard, it’s working smart. And that’s what it is.
I think you you shared so many like gems in that. And you know, one of the things is people often feel like purpose is going to decrease their performance. And you point out the exact opposite, right? That when you’ve got this strong purpose, it’s gonna increase your performance. Cause as you said, it gives you that fire in the belly. And that then how powerful somebody can be when they stay calm and then yes, the breath work. It’s so funny to me because we breathe all the time, right? It’s it’s what are they autonomic? And yet when you stop and you take
Yes, yes.
a w an intentional big breath, how differently you feel and how much you can see the impact of that. And it’s just so funny because you think you’re breathing all the time, but it’s different.
Exactly, that’s true. You know, and that’s very we know when I so I’m an engineer by profession and I’ve been doing this for about thirty years now. I’ve been practicing the Brightswork for thirty years. And when I first started doing it, I’m like, it is working, but I don’t know how it is working. I want to see the science behind it. So now you know for the sky breathing that we teach in the art of living, we have about hundred independent studies that have happened on that and one of the recent one
A study that happened was at Yale, Yale University in Connecticut. And they wanted it was, you know, they took a control group of students doing the sky breathing. Then they had a control group of students doing the mindfulness stuff. Then another control group of students doing Yale’s own emotional intelligence program. And they found that the sky breathing was the best performing thing across all the markers. You know, the stress hormone, the cortisol went down when you did the sky breathing.
your you know oxytocin, dopam dopamine, the all the good hormones all went up, the the negative hormones went down, and just that w started working from day one. And so it’s there’s lot of science behind how this thing works. And that’s what makes it even more credible, I believe.
Wow.
Yes, yes. And it’s interesting because you think y you know, you were an engineer by training. My husband also has an engineer by training who’s really honestly super diligent with breath work. And I think when you take these people who are really good at executing systems and you give them the system and they start to see the results of it, then they well, you don’t traditionally think of like an engineer as somebody who’s going to be into breath work and meditation and everything like this.
Yeah.
Honestly, they see the results and they become like great students and like users of the practice. It’s pretty cool.
Exactly. Yeah, I always tell people, Adrian, I mean not to be biased about engineers, but I’m like smart people do these things. You know, it it
Right. Well, and I feel like you have to say that because in like US culture, sometimes we may associate this with like hippies from the 70s or something like this, right? And so you have to be like, no, this is like a scientific thing that like you said, smart people do this and it makes a difference. And Fortune 500 CEOs are doing this and seeing the difference in their lives. I love that.
You know, I’ll share one more anecdote, Adrian. So this is I was teaching the this course, the Art of Living program at one of the largest consulting firms in the world, largest, and they had this whole their employee you know training thing that they had in in Dallas. And they had different workshops for their employees and part of one of the workshops that was the Art of Living course that was being offered there. And every single person in the course was either
Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Wharton graduate, super smart. They were in the late twenties. So it’s not like they’re the late twenties, early thirties. And these are like super high achievers and very smart intelligent people and all. And when I was teaching the course it was bit initially it was a bit interesting because they would challenge and they’ll question everything. I’ll share with them, I’ll ask them to do the challenge and question everything.
But on the last day when their HR team also the HR leadership came during the experience sharing and all. And they started sharing that, you know, I won’t take the name of the company, but like, you know, you give us everything best, you give us the best salaries, we travel first class, we stay in the best hotels, I travel so much, and they’re like, you know, this is the fur this is the first time you gave us the best training because these are the actual life schools, skills that help us thrive in our careers.
Right.
So it’s people are recognizing this now.
Yeah.
Well, and I think of when you s shared that, the immediate thing I thought of is and the company is going to benefit because people aren’t gonna get burned out and quit. ‘Cause that’s what you see is just so much so so common these days.
Yes, exactly. And companies I think now they’re becoming more aware of this because they’re realizing just that monetary incentives and other incentives will only get you so far, but you have to start giving these kind of tools to your employees to perform better.
Mm-hmm. So along those lines, let’s say we’ve we’ve got a listener like the people who were in that course, right? Somebody who wants to scale successfully without burning themselves out. They should take the three day program, right? Are there any specific mindset shifts or any other recommendations you’d give to people who are like, How can I not burn out in my job?
You know, one thing that I found the best ever shared is breath work and meditation. Just start doing some of it every day. As I mentioned, like you know, we don’t brush our teeth every day because you know, if you don’t brush your teeth one day something bad is going to happen. But when you start doing it every day, it prevents tooth decay and all those things. So a lot of these things are preventive. It’s not like things have to break down and you have to learn something. You know, you do it so you don’t break down. So
Right. Right. And we think about it for so many other things. Like with the breakdown terminology I think of of cars, right? And oil changes. And you know, nearly everybody goes and gets their car, the oil change at you know, however many thousand miles your car needs it, and you don’t think twice about it. And yet how often are you doing that preventative mindset or prevent preventative work for your mindset and mental clarity?
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Awesome. Now I as we wrap up here, Shalin, you said you you had an activity you wanted to do with with me, correct?
Yes, yeah, I’ve been meditating for some time and lately I’ve been I’ve been initiated into this thing where I am able to do able to do this intuitive scanning where I connect with people and then I’m able to tell them a bit about their past, present and future. And it’s very beautiful. It’s not like you’re able to read people’s minds or anything like that. It’s more about it’s more conducive to their personal growth, anywhere they have any questions they can ask and be able to answer those things.
So we can do that exercise and see how that goes. Yes? So I’ll just close my eyes for a few seconds, Adrienne, and then I’ll share a few things and you can ask me any questions you have.
Sure. All right. Let’s do it.
Vitriane, along with all this the stuff, that amazing stuff that you’re doing with leadership and all, you’re actually an amazingly amazingly daunting mother. You’re very, very you’re very good like with what your kids do, what the kids want. You’re very aligned with that. It’s not like you’re busy with what you’re doing, you’re very much involved. Is that true? Is that accurate? Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yes, yes. yeah, we typically homeschool. Right now the kids are in a school program while we’re here in Lima for a couple of months, but typically we homeschool and and the kids’ interests are part of our lives. Like my youngest loves penguins and we specifically go to places in our travels. we plan trips around seeing penguins because he loves penguins. So yeah, things like that.
Yeah. Yeah. No, you’re very good. Like you’re very much in tune with what your kids want. And not just that, you make sure that you be with them, you provide them what they want. And and it’s not in a way where you you know, sometimes parents can spoil kids with giving them everything they want. You have this very good balance where you provide them that’s something that’s going to help them when they grow up as kids with their education and everything. At the same time you are
Good at discipline also, yeah. It’s a very disciplined approach that you take with them. It’s very nice.
That is true. Thank you.
Yeah. Does one of your kids have any food allergies or anything like that?
we have a a child who’s a picky eater, yes.
Yes, yes, yes. And it’s very, very interesting with with the kid is that no matter what you do, I mean they’ll just eat what they want. I mean, you have to work around them. So and it will get better, but for now, you’ll just need to be more patient with them. Otherwise, this kid has a very good ability of testing your patience. So it’s so you’ll just need to be patient when they grow up, they’re going to do fantastic. All your three three kids.
Yes.
Yeah.
are going to grow up to be very in independent and very actually successful in what they do. And so just more patience with this particular kid and give cut cut them some slack.
All right. I can do that.
Yes.
And this next part of what I’m going to share, you can edit that out if you would like. This can be just no keep an eye on your gut health.
Yeah, it can be Go ahead, you’re saying something.
Well, it’s funny because we have been focusing on that, while we’re staying here in Lima. We’ve been focusing on diet and things to really promote overall health, including gut health, yeah.
Yes, and especially for you, more than your husband for you, just keep an eye on that. there, you know, certain foods you can avoid later in the evening and having more fibrous food and all that, you can put some more attention on that part for you, especially. Yeah.
Awesome. Yeah. Thank you.
Do you have any plans to go to Europe and stay in Europe for some time?
it is not on the calendar. It is something that is on our our bucket list of we will do that in in the future, yes.
It’s good it’s going to happen. You’ll be spending you’ll be spending maybe year, maybe even a couple of years in in Europe. And somewhere I don’t see you spending time somewhere around in coastal Europe, like may not be Spain or Italy, maybe more like Switzerland and Germany, those kind of places where it’s a bit more cooler. And but you will be sending spending some time there.
Yeah.
Exciting.
Any questions you want to ask?
I I I don’t think so ’cause I think we had the conversation as as we went along. But that’s that’s really I’m very much a fan of one of our like phrases in our family is everything is energy, right? And in the the potency and and I think the not fully realized and in in Western culture idea of the power of of intuition and energy in in the messages like that. So thank you.
Yeah.
Sure, sure, it’s wonderful connecting. In fact, we even have our Art of Living programs in in Lima. And yeah, we have local Peruvian teachers, Latin American teachers who teach the programs there. So I’ll check it out, check out the website there.
Awesome. Yeah, I’ll go to the website for sure. Okay, so we will wrap up and I’ll give you a chance to share all the websites again. We’ll have all those, or if there’s a specific like lead magnet or something you want to share, and we’ll have everything in the show notes as well. So okay. Shaolin, for anybody who wants to learn more about your work or experience some of these practices for themselves, what’s the best way to connect with you?
So they can ping me on my Instagram. You know, I I have a team who checks messages there and response promptly. So they can ping me on my Instagram. My handle is my first name Shalin, last name Desai. So they can ping me on there. And also they can check out our website, artofliving.org, regardless of what part of world you are in, because I know your audiences are global. So regardless, regardless of what part of the world you are in, we have our programs there, you can go and check it out.
I love this. Well, thank you, Shalin, for such a great conversation. I think that one of the biggest takeaways is that better leadership doesn’t always come from doing more. Sometimes it comes from creating the clarity, the focus, and the resilience to do the right things consistently by getting in that right, that might right headspace with things like meditation and breath work.
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